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  • 08-16-2008 3:06 PM

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    Topology Questions

    Hello.

    First, in your hardware spec list you have BB routers having only 1 ethernet interface. This confuses me, since BB1 has a serial connection to the FR switch & BB3 has a serial connection to BB1, according to the physical interface connections chart.

    Second, why does BB1 have a ton of serial interfaces in the initial config file, when there is only two serial interfaces used.. S0/0 to BB3 and S0/1 to the Frame relay switch.

    Why on earth does the cabling list only show one connection from BB1? There are AT LEAST two, and a lot more if you follow the initial config file. What on earth is going on here?! How am I supposed to build a lab around your workbooks if your configuration instructions arent even close to being accurate?!

    Why does your equipment list not show BB1 needing a bunch of serial connections?

    Your toplogy is extremely frustrating to decipher... This just seems to be one big massive clusterf*ck. Sure, its wonderful for people who rent your racks.. but anyone who wants to build it themselves is utterly screwed.

     

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  • 08-16-2008 4:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Topology Questions

    After digging through all the configs, I think I've managed to come up with an idea of what the cabling SHOULD look like:

    http://www.pittstate.edu/~cjones/temp/frame_topology.png

    Thats assuming using all 3640s with NM-4Ts, so the actual interface names could vary depending on what hardware you use... but as far as I can tell, the physical topology is correct.

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  • 08-16-2008 6:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Topology Questions

    I just recorded a quick overview of the R&S hardware here:

    https://internetworkexpert.webex.com/internetworkexpert/k2/e.php?AT=RINF&recordingID=57872

    I'm just learning WebEx so the recording shows the "recording control window" so I'll redo it soon to fix that.

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    After digging through all the configs, I think I've managed to come up with an idea of what the cabling SHOULD look like:

    Thats assuming using all 3640s with NM-4Ts, so the actual interface names could vary depending on what hardware you use... but as far as I can tell, the physical topology is correct.



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  • 08-16-2008 8:02 PM In reply to

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    Re: Topology Questions

    Brian,

    Thank you for the video, it helps quite a bit (especially the part about the BB1 to BB3 link). I still have some other questions though.

    I'm using nine 3640s, each with one NM-4E and one NM-4T module, with the exception of BB1, which has just two NM-4T modules (since it's the frame relay switch also, and has no ethernet connections).

    This configuration means all routers use E0/x for ethernet and S1/x for serial. This requires some slight modification as far as what gets connected to what:

    BB1 S0/0 -- R1 S1/0

    BB1 S0/1 -- R2 S1/1

    BB1 S0/2 -- R3 S1/0

    BB1 S0/3 -- R3 S1/1

    BB1 S1/0 -- R4 S1/0

    BB1 S1/1 -- R5 S1/0

    BB1 S1/2 -- R6 S1/0

    BB1 S1/3 -- BB3 S1/0 (the iBGP required link)

     

    I had initially connected just BB1 S0/0 to R6 and BB1 S1/0 to BB3, because I was just simply going down the table of physical interface connections, ensuring they were all there. It wasn't until a colleage pointed out that the BB1 initial configuration file has numerous serial interfaces that I began questioning the cabling of my lab.

    I hope this somewhat clears up exactly what the issues that I was having were, and would appreciate it greatly if you could verify that I'm on the right track with modifying my lab (I will have to add another NM-4T, more cabling, and edit the BB1 initial configuration file to match the interfaces I'll be using)

    One final thing... the video mentioned you will be switching R3,R4 and R5 to be 2611XMs at some point. Would I be better off just simply changing my lab to be two 2621XMs and three 2611XMs right away, since the lab is still being built? What advantage do the 2611XMs have over 3640s?

    Thanks!

    Edit:

    This is the configuration changes I have made to the BB1 initial configuration:

    interface Serial0/0
    description Connected to R1 S1/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 102 interface Serial0/1 201
    frame-relay route 103 interface Serial0/2 301
    frame-relay route 104 interface Serial1/0 401
    frame-relay route 105 interface Serial1/1 501
    frame-relay route 113 interface Serial0/3 311
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial0/1
    description Connected to R2 S1/1
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 201 interface Serial0/0 102
    frame-relay route 203 interface Serial0/2 302
    frame-relay route 204 interface Serial1/0 402
    frame-relay route 205 interface Serial1/1 502
    frame-relay route 213 interface Serial0/3 312
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial0/2
    description Connected to R3 S1/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 301 interface Serial0/0 103
    frame-relay route 302 interface Serial0/1 203
    frame-relay route 304 interface Serial1/0 403
    frame-relay route 305 interface Serial1/1 503
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial0/3
    description Connected to R3 S1/1
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 311 interface Serial0/0 113
    frame-relay route 312 interface Serial0/1 213
    frame-relay route 314 interface Serial1/0 413
    frame-relay route 315 interface Serial1/1 513
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial1/0
    description Connected to R4 S1/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 401 interface Serial0/0 104
    frame-relay route 402 interface Serial0/1 204
    frame-relay route 403 interface Serial0/2 304
    frame-relay route 405 interface Serial1/1 504
    frame-relay route 413 interface Serial0/3 314
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial1/1
    description Connected to R5 S1/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    frame-relay route 501 interface Serial0/0 105
    frame-relay route 502 interface Serial0/1 205
    frame-relay route 503 interface Serial0/2 305
    frame-relay route 504 interface Serial1/0 405
    frame-relay route 513 interface Serial0/3 315
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial1/2
    description Connected to R6 S1/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clockrate 64000
    frame-relay intf-type dce
    no shut
    !
    interface Serial1/2.51 point-to-point
    description PVC 51 to R6
    ip address 54.1.3.254 255.255.255.0
    frame-relay interface-dlci 51
    !
    interface Serial1/2.100 point-to-point
    description PVC 100 to R6
    ip address 54.1.2.254 255.255.255.0
    ipv6 address 2001:54:1:2::254/64
    ipv6 address FE80::254 link-local
    frame-relay interface-dlci 100
    !
    interface Serial1/2.101 point-to-point
    description PVC 101 to R6
    ip address 54.1.1.254 255.255.255.0
    ip authentication mode eigrp 10 md5
    ip authentication key-chain eigrp 10 EIGRP
    ipv6 address 2001:54:254:1::254/64
    ipv6 address FE80::254 link-local
    ipv6 rip RIPng enable
    frame-relay interface-dlci 101
    !
    interface Serial1/2.201 point-to-point
    description PPP over PVC 201 to R6
    frame-relay interface-dlci 201 ppp Virtual-Template1
    !
    interface Serial1/2.301 point-to-point
    description PPP over PVC 301 to R6
    frame-relay interface-dlci 301 ppp Virtual-Template11
    !
    interface Serial1/2.401 point-to-point
    description Bridging over PVC 401 to R6
    frame-relay interface-dlci 401
    bridge-group 1
    !
    interface Serial1/3
    description Connected to BB3 S1/0
    ip address 172.16.4.1 255.255.255.0
    clockrate 64000
    no shut
    !
    

    Am I missing anything?

    Thanks!

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  • 08-16-2008 11:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Topology Questions

    Should this work on Mac? I just tried the link and it doesnt load the
    webex app.

    Please tell me v5 of the CoD will be Mac compatible when it is out! :)

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  • 08-16-2008 11:56 PM In reply to

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    Re: Topology Questions

    I couldnt get webex working at all, im on vista at home. Neither firefox nor IE would install it. Switched to my mac laptop, no problems.

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  • 08-20-2008 8:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: Topology Questions

    Just bumping this hoping one of the Brians or Scott can lend some insight...

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  • 08-20-2008 10:01 PM In reply to

    RE: Topology Questions

    What was the original question?  Sorry...  It messes with me when I don't see the thread!  :)
     


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    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:48 PM
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    Subject: Re: [IEWB-RS-VOL1-V5] Topology Questions

    Just bumping this hoping one of the Brians or Scott can lend some insight...




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  • 08-21-2008 5:21 AM In reply to

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    Re: RE: Topology Questions

    Scott Morris:

    What was the original question?  Sorry...  It messes with me when I don't see the thread!  :)
     

    Basically, because I don't have an NM-8A/S, I have to settle for two NM-4Ts in my BB1 router. So I changed my bb1.txt to be S0/1-S0/3 and then S1/0-S1/3.

    My biggest problem so far has been setting up the physical cabling in my lab. When I set it up, I went down the list of connections given in the hardware guide, and thought I was finished. The list doesnt include the BB1 -> R1, R2, R3 etc physical connections so I was very confused why BB1 had more than two serial interfaces needed. If I hadn't looked in bb1.txt, I would have never known. I made the changes and posted my bb1.txt config above.

    I also didn't see anything about the purpose of the BB1->BB3 connection, however Brians video cleared that up for me.

    My second question was that Brian mentions in his video earlier in this thread that IE will be moving to 2611XM routers for R3, R4 and R5... I was just wondering when this was going to happen, and which NM/WICs will be used in the "reccomended configuration".  I'm able to switch to 2611XMs if you would reccomend me doing so.

    Thanks!

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  • 08-21-2008 7:43 AM In reply to

    RE: RE: Topology Questions

    As long as you have the cabling and number of interfaces covered, IMHO it doesn't really matter which parts you use.  Well, I take that back. Make sure the router can support an IOS with the necessary features, but beyond that shouldn't matter.
     
    I recently recabled my own development rack to work with the IE topology.  I have 2811's and 3825's.  So I'm using a variety of WIC-1T's and WIC-2T's.  For my frame switch I have an NM-8A/S, but if you do it with the 4T's that'll be fine too.
     
    There are some numbering differences between my rack and the standard IE pod, but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't hurt anything.
     
    As long as you are comfortable with the mappings and cards, you can use whatever you want!  The only drawback is that you can't just take their solution files and cut/paste them into your routers without error.  So if you are ok with that, then you're good to go!
     
    HTH
     
    Scott
     


    From: iewb-rs-vol1-v5@ieoc.com [mailto:iewb-rs-vol1-v5@ieoc.com] On Behalf Of IPv6Freely
    Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:23 AM
    To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
    Subject: Re: [IEWB-RS-VOL1-V5] RE: Topology Questions

    Scott Morris:

    What was the original question?  Sorry...  It messes with me when I don't see the thread!  :)
     

    Basically, because I don't have an NM-8A/S, I have to settle for two NM-4Ts in my BB1 router. So I changed my bb1.txt to be S0/1-S0/3 and then S1/0-S1/3.

    My biggest problem so far has been setting up the physical cabling in my lab. When I set it up, I went down the list of connections given in the hardware guide, and thought I was finished. The list doesnt include the BB1 -> R1, R2, R3 etc physical connections so I was very confused by BB1 had more than two serial interfaces needed. If I hadn't looked in bb1.txt, I would have never known. I made the changes and posted my bb1.txt config above.

    I also didn't see anything about the purpose of the BB1->BB3 connection, however Brians video cleared that up for me.

    My second question was that Brian mentions in his video earlier in this thread that IE will be moving to 2611XM routers for R3, R4 and R5... I was just wondering when this was going to happen, and which NM/WICs will be used in the "reccomended configuration".  I'm able to switch to 2611XMs if you would reccomend me doing so.

    Thanks!




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  • 08-21-2008 8:29 AM In reply to

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    Re: RE: RE: Topology Questions

    Yeah, that was always my biggest problem... not so much in doing the labs, but in verification and such.

    As far as having different interface names from the labs... thats why I started the other thread about blank topology diagrams. I think that would be useful. :)

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  • 08-21-2008 8:37 AM In reply to

    RE: RE: RE: Topology Questions

    It's a thought, and point well-taken.
     
    Scott


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    Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:33 AM
    To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
    Subject: Re: [IEWB-RS-VOL1-V5] RE: RE: Topology Questions

    Yeah, that was always my biggest problem... not so much in doing the labs, but in verification and such.

    As far as having different interface names from the labs... thats why I started the other thread about blank topology diagrams. I think that would be useful. :)




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